[Kametsu] Nagi-Asu ~ A Lull in the Sea - 12 (BD 720p Hi10 AACx2) [EA4695B9].mkv


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Series (!)Nagi no Asukara - Episode 12 (of 26): I Want to Be Kind
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52 comment(s):
02/05/2016 10:51 — Anonymous
Man, they still doing this despite the show ended 2 years ago or something?
02/05/2016 10:55 — Anonymous
Blu-Rays take a while to be released, then you have to wait for someone to upload the BDROM.
02/05/2016 19:49 — Anonymous
Huh? Isn't Coalgirl already done this in full BD?
02/05/2016 21:20 * — Gurphy_TC
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Kametsu usually does dual audio I believe, as in this case.  Coalgirls seldom does English dubs.  Dual audio has often lagged subbed BD releases, at least in the past.

That being said, I don't know anything specific about the timing of this release.  The video and Japanese audio are Coalgirl's, and the subs are mods, I guess.  Check out the Nyaa page for details.
03/05/2016 03:34 * — Anonymous
Coalgirls is Japanese Audio only and they did not properly adjust Nyanko's subs so signs are []. Kametsu is having to redo the signs properly.
03/05/2016 21:01 — Anonymous
The signs in Coalgirls's release were all fine on my end (e.g., timing/typsetting/etc.)

(Referring to their [720p] batch from 2014-09-21)
04/05/2016 04:40 * — Anonymous
Nope.

http://diff.pics/7ZgiPRNEiBrQ/1

Coalgirls signs were []up.
04/05/2016 04:52 — Anonymous
Is your diff.pics a joke?  There's not a lick-spittle of difference between those 3, except the station watermark.
04/05/2016 05:04 — Anonymous
Open your eyes. Coalgirls sign clipping is off. There is a big gap between the cut-off of the sign and the actual characters head where the sign should actually be clipped.
04/05/2016 05:06 — Anonymous
The clipping has had to be fixed for every single sign in the show, in every single episode Kametsu has done so far. Because Coalgirls didn't do it right.
04/05/2016 06:16 — Anonymous
Ah, thanks for the education.  I see now what you're referring to.

I don't want to say more, as I guess you're involved in the project.  These things matter to some people, and that's great, I guess.  Thanks for your work!
04/05/2016 14:07 — Anonymous
Despite of this damn error, I ain't redownloading any way. Good luck in going forward.
04/05/2016 17:22 — Anonymous
If you're archiving 1080p, there is a lot of reasons to update. Kametsu is using the superior mawen encode, fixed subtitles, and English audio included. As for 720p, Kametsu is using Coalgirls video, but adding the English audio and fixing the subtitles. If these don't matter to you, then go continue enjoying inferior / bugged releases.
05/05/2016 03:26 * — Anonymous
lol no one actually gives a [] buddy, your ranting about such minor shit that a lot of people won't even notice
05/05/2016 03:39 — Anonymous
People fansub for a variety of reasons and they share the result.  If you like the sharing, why try to kill their motivation for doing the work, whatever it may be?

Less is easy to come by.
05/05/2016 20:41 — Anonymous
We noticed and we care. Kametsu is striving for perfection, not a half-baked release.
I appreciate it when real effort is put into fixing things like this.
05/05/2016 20:44 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
We do this kind of work for those that WILL notice. If you like half-assed work stick with Coalgirls or keep grabbing AnimeRG/DeadFish releases. Thanks for the kind words everyone. We appreciate when people notice the kind of work that goes into a release, even if it's not an original encode.
05/05/2016 22:38 — Anonymous
The least you people can do is appreciate other people's work as well. Saying some group's work as half assed is equivalent toward mocking them, and hey, they must had put at least some effort, don't they? Why don't we just call people from Coalgirls, AnimeRG/Deadfish over here too and ask them whether their work is half assed or not, eh?
05/05/2016 22:55 * — Anonymous
Why[]did this shit escalated like this? Any mod that can burn down all these comments?
06/05/2016 04:41 — Anonymous
Lol your hating on coalgirls but still use their video tracks for your work..........nice
06/05/2016 05:58 — Anonymous
Actually, I found this discussion enlightening.

We were all honest yet pretty well behaved.

Thanks to all participants!
06/05/2016 07:18 — Anonymous
Is it even a discussion though? Seem like people only insulted one another.
06/05/2016 16:41 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
No hate here.
06/05/2016 18:22 — Anonymous
"If you like half-assed work stick with Coalgirls or keep grabbing AnimeRG/DeadFish releases."

No hate here
07/05/2016 02:13 — Anonymous
To start with, now I know what Kametsu means when they say some aspect of a show like the signs are ["f*cked"].

If anything was responsible for all these comments, it was that.  For the record, I imagine many of us would think that meant the signs were unreadable somehow.

I may still appreciate Kametsu's downloads, but I'm not going to take what they say very seriously after that.

They can set the bar as high as they like for what they do, but they ought to apply the same high standards to what they say.
07/05/2016 03:24 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
On the contrary, the example provided was mild. A few other signs were a lot worse, I just didn't have the example on hand. Only had that one as it was sent to me because it was on this specific episode. I'm not even one of the people responsible for this release. Keep in mind Kametsu is made up of a lot of different people who all have their own way of doing things, their own standards, etc. I don't use the word 'fucked' lightly, it's just the example I provided didn't show fully what I was referring to, but rather a light example. The fact remains though that 100% of the signs have been modified for our release. The staff responsible ended up grabbing Nyanko subs and ignoring those on Coalgirls release because it was apparently easier to work with.
07/05/2016 03:41 — Anonymous
You just missed a chance to gain back some credibility with a little contrition.

As I said, an enlightening experience.
07/05/2016 04:09 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
"I imagine many of us would think that meant the signs were unreadable somehow"
Many were. Some were cut completely in half, some ran out and over other things in the video, some blinked and disappeared immediately. There was no statement made that requires any sort of 'contrition', nor do we care what some 'anon' feels about our 'credibility' based on simply making a statement that Coalgirls failed to make an archiveable release in our opinion based on the fact they didn't have any signs properly configured to the BD as they did nothing more than partially re-time HDTV subs. I've spent more than enough time as-is pointing this out. If you're happy with Coalgirls release, than so be it. We weren't, and even if we were, we'd still have made a release since Coalgirls was single audio and we cater to dual-audio fans. That's all there is to it.
07/05/2016 04:30 — Anonymous
You made a charge, and offered nothing but a goofy millimeter proof and now you think someone has done you wrong.

You're progressing from lamentable to pitiful.
07/05/2016 04:35 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
Oh I see, you're just another troll. gg
06/05/2016 16:40 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
'they must had put at least some effort'

You realize half-ass implies at least some effort was put in? The problem was, all they did was time-shift the subs, but they didn't ensure clipping was correct, nor did they ensure timing was accurate enough to not have scene bleeds. Hence the half-ass comment. It wasn't hating or mocking the group. Coalgirls typically do really nice work imo, they just dropped the ball on this show and apparently didn't have someone QC it.
07/05/2016 04:21 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
In the end, the only thing utilized from Coalgirls was the 720p video for w/e reason. The 1080p uses mawen's encode. The audio is all done from the USBD. The subtitles were taken from Nyanko's HDTV and retimed for BD from scratch, and 100% of the typesetting has been modified by Kametsu to be properly rendered on the BD video. There is not a single other release of Nagi-Asu that uses Nyanko's subtitles that actually has signs rendered correctly as far as I'm aware. Take that for whatever you want. Obviously nothing we say is going to matter. It's easy to hide behind the 'anonymous'-handle and claim we're being assholes, that we're wrong for whatever reason, that we over-exaggerate, or whatever else you'd like to imply based on a handful of comments made here.

I'm sorry you feel we were wrong for saying signs that weren't readable by any means or even adjusted to the video are 'fucked'. I'm not sure what you'd feel would warrant that remark if you feel that wasn't warranted, but feel free to replace the word with any other word that means the typesets were broken and unreadable at worst and not properly clipped or timed at best.
07/05/2016 06:54 — Anonymous
No ones calling u an asshole, but saying people's work are half-assed over some minor clipping and timing issues, that aren't even noticeable by most people is ridiculous.
07/05/2016 17:12 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
1) I never said they did.
2) I've stated numerous times, it wasn't just clipping issues. If you want to continue to claim that subtitles that were mistimed so badly they never appear or blink away as soon as they do appear to be minor or to be unnoticeable. That is your prerogative. But I call it like I see it and Coalgirls or Tenshi in specific certainly did a half-assed job in this case. Simply using sushi to shift subs but not quality checking or editing them is exactly that. If you take offense with the facts, then fine. But to continue to try to spam the comments section here over these facts is pretty silly. You think non-existent subs on a subtitled release is minor. We don't. We consider subtitles, especially on a Japanese-only release to be a BIG issue. That's what this entire discussion comes down to.

Again, I don't work on this release, I only posted that specific comparison because it was the ONLY one I had based on it being from this specific episode based on the fact we were just discussing this the other day with the staff members involved in this project. I've seen the other comparisons they shared where the subs simply didn't load at all, or were clipped in half, jumbled on the screen, overlapped into moving objects, etc. Sure some of this is minor, but some isn't. What's the point in having subtitles if they're rendered badly? In most cases Coalgirls would have been just as well off to delete all the signs in their release and just have dialogue.

Again. We stated facts about such issues. If you want to take offense to it, well we can't help that. But that doesn't change anything we said, nor will it stop us from pointing out issues in the future. If you want to stay oblivious to such things, simply don't read them.
08/05/2016 04:15 — Anonymous
Tenshi may have made some errors, but still doesn't give u a right to say he/she did a "half-assed" job, Tenshi definitely put in more work than you guys regardless.
08/05/2016 04:18 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
lel, if you want to troll, try harder.
08/05/2016 05:06 — Anonymous
Haha of course you pull out the troll excuse again, gotta love cocky "fan-sub" groups who think they're the shit.
08/05/2016 05:12 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
Of course. Anyone who could claim someone just using sushi to shift-subs and ended up with a mess put in more work than someone who actually redid the subs and Quality Checked them, must be trolling.
07/05/2016 08:27 — Anonymous
Hiding, eh? It's true we aren't seeing each other's faces and knew each other's name but that only because this chat is being done through the  internet. There is no way to talk directly like this. If we were discussing this one on one right now, I wouldn't be hesitant in knocking your teeth out since you are the one that is trying to blow this minor shit out of porportion and tried to call other's that aggravated you for some whatever reason as someone that had the bravery to say whatever to you just because we are all anonymous here. Why don't you get off your almighty chair and just tried to finish this god damn series for anyone that is interested? No use lingering around here to prove as if we are all idiots when you got a group to run, ain't that correct? Just like what you said, we are all brave here since our identity aren't exposed but the same can be applied to your sorry ass.
07/05/2016 17:01 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
See you call non-existent subtitles on a subtitled only release minor. We don't. Difference of opinions, and like I kindly stated before, if you're content with such releases that effort wasn't applied in, then be content with it. It's fine by me. Yet you took issue with it. That is ALL this entire crapfest you've continued on was about. Some twisted fantasy in your head created by twisting words. I've also said up above that I'm not involved in this project at all. There is only two people in the team (in which there more than 10 people in said team) working on this series. You're the only one that seems aggravated. I've been fairly chilled through this entire troll bait endeavor by anons and despite all the name calling I haven't once lashed out. I haven't blown anything out of proportion, you're the only one here trying to act childish. Talking about asses and knocking teeth out, kek. Have fun with that. I stand by what I've said, dislike it all you want. Doesn't change the fact of anything I've stated.
08/05/2016 00:25 — Anonymous
This Anon speaks the truth
07/05/2016 04:38 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
No sense in us to continue responding further to what seems nothing more than troll baiting.

If anyone has anything legitimate to add, I'll respond, but I've said more than enough about the issues of other releases and the work that has gone into this one.
07/05/2016 08:35 — Anonymous: "deejay_valtore"
I've got a question, but not related to this series. I was just curious if you guys were going to be doing kuroshitsuji season 3?
07/05/2016 16:52 — Anonymous: "Kametsu"
The only one on our team who liked Black Butler was TCL and he passed away of a brain tumor a few years ago. I've got the BDMV so I may get around to it, but it's not something I'm overly interested in doing. Hopefully another group can do a release you'd be happy with.
08/05/2016 06:02 — Koby
Kametsu Forum | Kametsu Projects | Lost Years | #Kametsu@irc.xertion.org
Wow this sure has been blown out of proportion. Yes, the subtitles on Coalgirls release was bad enough that it was decided to go to the source and start from scratch with Nyanko subs to properly time and clip signs. Also, this was apparently a good thing too as given the comments on Coalgirls blog, Tenshi used the individual weekly releases subtitles instead of grabbing the batch with fixes (such as translation inaccuracies, typos, etc...), which apparently were pretty numerous.

The main issue with the clipping was due to different cropping on the HDTV broadcast that Nyanko used compared to the Blu-ray. Unfortunately Tenshi simply time-shifted subtitles and never bothered to Quality Check otherwise he'd have noticed some of the more apparent issues such as subtitles having timing issues bad enough they either never appear or flash away as soon as they did so that you never had a chance to read it at times.

Either way, the issue our staff have made known, exists. You can hate that fact all you want (it's not our fault it's an issue), but the fact remains that Tenshi unfortunately dropped the ball. This bickering in the comments here for stating this fact is silly and it still does not change the facts. Coalgirls dropped the ball, Kametsu picked it up. For those happy with the previous release despite it's faults. Good. That is perfectly fine, our staff has said this from the start. More power to you. If you don't want to upgrade, you don't have to.

For those looking for a dual-audio release or just simply unhappy with issues that you are now enlightened to, then we're here picking up the slack. Are we perfect? No and we never claimed to be, but we're willing to go back and work on it and patch any issues brought to our attention and that is all anyone can really hope for. Right?
08/05/2016 11:17 * — Anonymous
What is the proper 'proportional response' for the inflammatory language that Kametsu used? "[f*ed]"

Don't expect civility or respect if you're going to use a gutter mouth, you frauds.
09/05/2016 03:51 — Anonymous
So true, this wouldn't have blown up if Kamestu responded better. Could've just said Tenshi messed up a few things without mentioning AnimeRG & Deadfish.
23/07/2016 16:01 — Anonymous
It actually wouldn't have happened if coalgirls wasn't as shitty group full of people that don't even QC their own releases.
23/07/2016 17:22 — Anonymous
Caution: Escaped mental patient.
23/07/2016 17:43 — Gin-Iro
neko nano da ?
Hahahahahahaha, all I see here that some hardcore fans of certain fansub groups trying hard to justify the faults that being brought up. True, it's enough to point out the faults as there is proof of that mistake and had some other people trying to counter that faults too. It's not okay if this kind of thing got blown out of proportion, mostly by the people that favor Coalgirls.

Look guys this is the internet, anything can happen, good become bad, bad become good, people trolling, acting almighty like they know it all etc... I know the harshness in the internet is much worse compare to real life where people are restricted by rules and laws but in here, hell and paradise intermingle making people act however they want, free of any shackles thus we have lowest of the low "bad guys". Why is that? It is because we can't never tolerate with other people that have different opinion and then we blew things up easily, like above.

Ever since I first started watching anime and knew that there are fansub groups out there, I'm so grateful to them as I can now have easy access to anime. Oh, most important thing: fansub=fancy subs. I judge most of fansub groups by looking at the OP/ED scripts, fancy typeset/karaoke effect etc, as it is easy to see how much effort or love they have doing the subs. Man, I missed the old days when they put in 3;kanji, romaji and translation in the OP/ED, but now all I can only see is the translation. The only group that I know still doing all 3 of that is Doki and they even added fancy karaoke effects too.

Heh, at the end of the day, either love it or hate it, but lets be civilized.
23/07/2016 17:48 — Anonymous
It's called obsessive-compulsive disorder.  There's only one person who cares about this discussion.

Obsessive-compulsives make good typesetters but lousy human beings.
23/07/2016 18:34 — Anonymous
Be civilized, huh? Funny, considering that this shit over loooong time ago and there's just someone out there that feel the need to shake stupid shit again.
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